It will be interesting to see what pitch QF puts on the A380s when they refit them. The business revolution on the 787 seams lacking. Power access and USB ports are provided on select aircraft. Hi Guest, join in the discussion on Review: Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner premium economy seat, Executive Traveller is published by Business Travel Media Pty Ltd, a corporate authorised credit representative (#515763) of MGS FINANCIAL PTY LIMITED (#337568). Upgrading to Premium Economy on the Sydney-Auckland route costs 13,600 Qantas points from an Economy Saver ticket, or just 4,300 points if you’ve booked a flexible Economy airfare. David also looks extremely well dressed, with a tie, as male business travellers ought have except in tropical climates. Without a seat in front with footrest, do ones legs just dangle off the tilted seat if they don’t reach the bulkhead? Premium Economy sounds and looks terribly uncomfortable. Allowing for this extra space between the edge of the cushion and the inner wall of the armrests brings the total of what could be called ‘hip width’ to 22.8 inches (58cm). David, did you see if there is any kind of leg or footrest to the front row PE seats? Enjoy greater comfort with our award-winning features: Premium Economy on Qantas Dreamliner B787-9, Your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, Qantas Australian Domestic network changes, Temporary inflight and airport service changes, Personal items, toiletries and medicinal items, Recreational and sporting petrol powered equipment, Taking medical equipment and medications onboard, Temporary pause on physical Qantas Frequent Flyer card and kit distribution, Qantas Status Fast Track | Expression of Interest, Complimentary Lounge Invitations terms and conditions, Lounge Access Offers terms and conditions, How to redeem a Complimentary Lounge Invitation. Which really doesn't matter because folks here attack this QF PY seat design purely on the basis of knee room and totally forgot that seat pitch contains a space for both recline AND knee room. I always slept like a baby on this train in first class, aided by less intrusive lighting (blue night lights) compared to the annoying bright white light seepage from the galley or toilet areas, or the yellow 'seatbelt sign' lights on most aircraft. That’s revolutionary compared to this layout. Sorry QF, it's a big thumbs down! Talking point: have you given up on airport WiFi? To quote Shakespeare ‘me thinketh thou complain too much’. What's funny is that we all make comments about how poorly executed this Premium Economy is......but then poor Economy Class is far worse for a 17+ Hr trip. The Air NZ space seats replacement are great for sleeping, and at 41'' they still have good personal space. David, there seems to be inconsistency in the website in that sometimes I can see comments on my browser (i.e. "Why the same complaints not extended here on this forum". Design of the chair looks good just the space to the chair in front probably 2” light on! The small size of the cabin adds to the exclusive feel of flying premium economy (You'll also receive prority boarding). Zaps I do it all the time (to DFW) and it is fine; better than economy which is the point. Oooo that seat pitch looks like economy of a few decades ago. Vietnam … Qantas has touted its Premium Economy seat on its Boeing 787s as the world’s best. Scoot with SQ) could factory fit an AVOD system screen to EVERY el cheapo Y seat on their also budget 787, there really is no excuse for Scoot not to hv the same even just for the pricey ScootBiz seat. When will Qantas reopen its international lounges? Sorry to disappoint U but I hv no connection with QF. If youâve forgotten your password, simply enter your email address At the time of writing and looking at the cost of Qantas Dreamliner flights to London for mid-March 2019, a return Economy fare starts at $1300 in Economy on sale. Still will be better than down back. But so far, the Qantas 787 reviews are mixed. An interesting review! Imagine being in economy for 17 hours. Would this still be the preferable row in your opinion over the other 3 rows behind and no one reclining into you? I agree, I like more of the recline than fully flat in Business. There's much to like about Qantas' new premium economy seat, which sits in its own cabin of four rows with a 2-3-2 seating layout. This won't make for a comfortable flight, especially not on the Dreamliner's 17+ hour non-stop trek between Perth and London. Find out more about our award-winning First and International Business cabins and more classes of travel on Qantas. 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The entire aircraft has in seat power at every seat. Here are the best watches of the year: should you care? 17 hours on the London route via Perth with QF? behind a fully reclined seatback,and having to climb across one's I think you're over thinking this, In business class I sleep better setting the seat to a recline position instead of fully flat, that's just me. David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis. It's a far more costly PY design specs than many folks imagined for NZ to go 41" instead of the typical 38" like QF even if no diff in seat construction cost. Qantas could fix the PE legroom issue by removing one row of Y from the forward cabin and the distribute the 32inches across PE and the remaining rows of Y. Qantas Dreamliner Premium … The new Qantas 787 premium economy product looks like more of a 'devolution' than 'revolution'. If not, it'll be a poor signal as to how QF view their W class customers and what could've been a class-leading seat will remain just average. I am a big fan of Qantas and was very much looking forward to the new PE. Login now. Discover the world with Qantas and our partners. It's completely free and we'll never pass your information on to The Qantas Premium Economy Experience: Anytime I get to fly on a 747, I find myself as excited as a kid in a candy store. 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Start your trip in the exclusive surrounds of one of our world class airport lounges. Not only AF and NZ hv the same seat design issue when they try to protect leg room/personal space thru a fixed seat back design, CX had a huge pax backlash when they tried similar design fleetwide 4~5yrs ago for the same goal and then had to abandon it quickly for longhaul(U can still see it in CX regional). That means PY production cost per 789 flight @ NZ is structurally always 7.7% higher than QF. This all comes back to pitch, to the distance between the seats. This is a terrible oversight when you think about about laptop-toting travellers flying as long as 17 hours between Perth and London. "SQ premium economy also 38". Join the discussion on the Australian Frequent Flyer forum: Dreamliner upgauge for QF141/144 (SYD-AKL) 4Dec19 – 28Mar20 I can always tell by the language used in the report whether the reviewer paid for their fare or if it was complimentary. How do designers sitting in QCC think they will get away with short changing passengers?? Qantas will treat its Boeing 787 economy class passengers to an extra inch of legroom over the airline's flagship A380 superjumbo, along with mod cons such as an iPad stand built into each seat. Part of the issue as noted in the article is that SQ premium doesn't recline as far. This article is more proof how the QF 'Dreamliner' could be more correctly be called the 'Nightmareliner' (for all but the small number in business class.). Sadly, a few issues – not all of them related to the seat itself – keep it from reaching its full crowd-pleasing potential. Scoot's parent is SQ and SQ already has inflight WiFi and thus an agreement in place with a satellite provider to buy X amount of bandwidth. Indulge in multi-course meals designed by a renowned Australian chef, premier Australian wines and service with a friendly Aussie smile. W class (premium economy) on any airline is a waste of money. The Premium Economy seating on the Qantas 787 is a huge step down from their retiring 747 fleet. View baggage allowances, purchase additional baggage, learn about dangerous goods or track lost baggage. As previously tipped, the red-tailed Dreamliner will have 166 economy seats arranged in a … Not sure any airline, QF included are too keen to resolve the issue. Fixed shell seats are great for protecting your personal space but they trade this off with a limited recline within the shell making it tough to sleep. I value legroom more than seat width so I'd rather just stick to Y and pay for an exit row seat - it would be a lot cheaper as well! Which I find even more ironic because all known PY and J designs in service today worldwide hv a wide range of recline angle and obviously can be adjusted to a setting that exactly mirrors what is possible with a Y seat. 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When reclined it could be the tightest PE on the market. The Air France PE suffers the same fate as the Air NZ Spaceseat. If Of course, consumers and their feedbacks don't care about design specs of PY being too close to J and the Rev$ consequences.... And people wonder why we bag Qantas as being a crap airline! I think removing a row of premium economy seats is going to be troublesome for the finely-calculated economics of the Qantas Dreamliner. Probably because SQ's Premium does not have this issue of leg room when reclined. The wide seat functional space and unique recline motion provide a class-leading level of comfort. Already have an Executive Traveller account? Hmm... perhaps Qantas might revert back to 31" in Economy to make room for 40" in Premium Economy??? Unlike the premium economy seat of the Qantas A380, and most other airlines, there’s no legrest built into the front of the Dreamliner's seat – Caon says this is because it “has a limited range of motion” and “in the end it doesn't fully support your feet.". On the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, such perks are just the beginning of its premium economy service. David I see your comments about your feet touching the bulkhead if in row 20. But I have yet to see a PE seat that retains the sense of space and comfort. ), but I'd have been happy for a more conventional legrest-and-footrest combo. Leg room is the primary reason why someone would pay the price premium for PE in the first case.". FLX sorry I’m not contradicting myself, “further reductions in recline” I was referring from the article when the seat in FRONT is RECLINED the seat behind space is further reduced due to the design, look at the pics and review above, it’s clear cut. First up is the legroom: or to be more precise, the lack of legroom when the seat in front of you is reclined. Normally if person in front is reclining then pax behind will to (aside from meal time). Boasting a seat 10 per cent wider and with a greater recline than the airline's existing premium economy product, the new premium economy cabin will feature 28 seats in a 2-3-2 … Of course, for shorter routes, you'd be looking at considerably cheaper fares. Such a shame compared with the promise outlined to me by a friend who was an interior design engineer in the B787 project at Everett, as we checked out the fuselage mockup in 2007 during a visit there.The economics of market competition plus high barriers to exit might mean that eventually they too will succumb unfortunately, rather than try a modest price increase.So sad that the Dreamliner tag still applies but the concept which the term encapsulated when it was coined by Boeing in the early days has gone down the gurgler. Qantas PE and F classes are a total waste of money it seems. I've personally found PE not comfortable, once again that's just me, hence saying ironic that I'd prefer economy. a shame about this product. 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Qantas premium economy… I’m flying that on the inaugural QF9 mar24 and certainly confirms my initial thoughts of the publicity shots that it is tighter for legroom than I would expect. Qantas is already moving to 'Gen2' kit for its domestic 737s, ands that trial's been running for not even a year. As the seat goes into the lazy z does it not open back up that space? Qantas touts its Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner premium economy seat as 'revolutionary' and a world champion in the better-than-economy stakes. Spot on. It works on hydraulics and can be set into a wide range of positions, typically to support your calves while your feet slide into their own hammock. I measured 21 inches between armrests. It certainly looks tight in there! If you can book these seats ignore business. Typical, qantas always behind the eight ball. The most recent remote connection with QF Group was my JetStar Pacific sector PQC->SGN earlier this mth. Log in below. QF bashing again. Thai Airways 747-400 business class (upper deck) Sydney to Bangkok 05. The original concept was developed by Thompson Aero Seating – the same firm behind the Boeing 787’s business class seat – and brought into the real world by David Caon. Find out how to change your booking, contact your local Qantas Office and get answers to other questions. For all that, I didn't find this to be miraculously comfortable during my kip in premium economy. Also read: AusBT reviews the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner business class seat. No way will I risk that ever again..so disappointed to hear this on the Dreamliner...suppose I'm dreaming to think they could make seats for tall...& some for short ? Seated in an intimate and private cabin, you'll enjoy the benefits of flying premium with dedicated check-in, priority boarding, a well thought out seat design with indulgent touches to make you feel at home plus a refreshed menu and extensive wine list. 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